
\summary{2008}{6}{12}

Agenda call: \agoref{gentoo-dev}{8d3e2ff5235b214f77d234449cdd5897}

Agenda announcement: \agoref{gentoo-dev}{868e239918e9bf80524415d5d12e2493}


\agendaitem{Moderation}
\index{council!meeting!channel mode}

Shall we use channel modes +qnm, with voice for people involved in discussions?
This means 
\begin{itemize}
 \item 
 +m - Moderated - People who don't have voices (+v) can't send 
    messages to the channel.
 \item
 +n - No external messages - With this mode, no one can send messages 
    to the channel without even being joined.
 \item 
 +z - Relaxed moderation - When +z is set each message that would be 
    blocked by +m is sent to all the users who are currently operator.
\end{itemize}
Concusion --- if it becomes necessary, we'll do it. We leave the channel open 
until then.


\agendaitem{Time limit}
\index{council!meeting!time limit}

Shall we set a time limit of 2 hours for the council meeting? ---
Yes. We will move any topics we didn't cover to the mailing lists.


\agendaitem{PMS: Are versions allowed to have more than 8 digits?}
\index{PMS}\index{eclass!versionator}\index{version specifications}

References:
\begin{itemize}
 \item 
 \agoref{gentoo-dev}{db2f5c09c2c0c8b042ca3d0dcec7cdaf}
 \item
 \bug{188449}
\end{itemize}

The required testing was not done in the meantime. We still voted to allow 
versions $>8$ digits. Adding a maximum restriction is a separate question and 
was not addressed -- if anyone wants this restriction, please discuss with 
fellow implementors and present your consensus to the council.


\agendaitem{How to handle the current appeals}
\index{council!appeal process}\index{enforced retirement}

Refernce: \agoref{gentoo-council}{d7c402fb577a3d5b1707e2bdf4b0a264}

Decision: We approved \dev{dberkholz}'s proposal.


\agendaitem{as-needed by default}
\index{as-needed}\index{--as-needed}\index{LDFLAGS}

Reference: \agoref{gentoo-dev}{fdfd519c5372394cc7f3aacaefa387b9}

\dev{antarus} requested that we vote on whether to add --as-needed to the 
default LDFLAGS.

Whether this should be in default LDFLAGS or suggested in make.conf.example 
wasn't clear. \dev{betelgeuse} suggested that we should know the whole tree 
will build with this LDFLAGS setting (with open bugs for packages that append 
-Wl,--no-as-needed) before we would consider enabling it by default.

The current state of the tree is tracked in \bug{129413}.

\dev{antarus} will post a deployment plan to -dev for discussion. We can vote 
on it on -council as soon as it solidifies.


\agendaitem{GLEP 54}
\index{GLEP!54}\index{scm version suffix}\index{PV}

References:
\begin{itemize}
 \item
 \glep{54}
 \item 
 \agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea}
 \item
 \agoref{gentoo-dev}{05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0}
\end{itemize}

\dev{lu_zero} posted an alternative approach 12 hours ago. Since it hasn't been 
around long enough to get much feedback, we decided to let the proposals 
develop and see if the ideas somehow merge.


\agendaitem{GLEP 55}
\index{GLEP!55}\index{EAPI suffix}

References: 
\begin{itemize}
 \item 
 \glep{55}
 \item
 \agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea}
\end{itemize}

Let's vote once the discussion is no longer clearly ongoing. We can hold this 
vote on the -council mailing list instead of waiting for the next meeting.


\agendaitem{GLEP 56}
\index{GLEP!56}\index{use flags}\index{metadata.xml}

References:
\begin{itemize}
 \item 
 \glep{56}
 \item
 \agoref{gentoo-dev}{784e2b1c30bbffcaca4c27d3961de9c9}
 \item
 \agoref{gentoo-dev}{54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9}
\end{itemize}

There is still room for improvement in \glep{56}, not so much in its 
technical aspects but in the way it promotes itself, the possible 
generation of legacy files, and the tools to use it.\footnote{Note that in this 
iteration the intention is that global useflag descriptions cannot be 
overridden locally. This later changed.}

A final vote will be done on the -council mailing list. 


\agendaitem{Status of PMS}
\index{PMS}

\dev{ferringb} said: 
``I'd like the council to please discuss the current status of PMS, if 
  the running of it satisfys the councils requirements of a *neutral* 
  standard, if the proposed spec actually meets said standards, and if 
  said spec is actually going to be approved sometimes this side of '09.''

References:
\begin{itemize}
 \item 
 \agoref{gentoo-dev}{9e9652212b3aefe09d93fc24c6ec4cb7}
 \item
 \agoref{gentoo-dev}{37b3ca89a1d253516437facd22a3d806}
\end{itemize}

Result: This is a discussion that belongs on the mailing list. Council 
members should post anything they have to add by the end of the weekend.



\vspace*{1cm}

Several further agenda items are mentioned in the official summary, but were 
not actually discussed during the meeting.
