Logs for 20200913 and 20201011 meetings.

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+<@ulm> meeting time                                                     [21:00]
+<@ulm> agenda:
+       https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev-announce/message/1fc299e7662ee2e30cfb1813c13cd7ca
+<@ulm> !proj council
+<+willikins> (council@gentoo.org) dilfridge, gyakovlev, mattst88, slyfox, ulm,
+             whissi, williamh
+<@ulm> roll call
+* slyfox here
+* gyakovlev here
+* Whissi here
+* WilliamH here
+<@ulm> dilfridge? mattst88?                                             [21:02]
+* dilfridge here
+<@mattst88> hello!                                                      [21:03]
+* ulm here
+<@slyfox> \o/                                                           [21:04]
+<@mattst88> sorry, cat took over my lap :)
+<@ulm> so, let's start
+<@slyfox> pic or didn't happen :)
+<@ulm> Open bugs with Council participation
+<@ulm> bug 662982
+<+willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/662982 "[TRACKER] New default
+             locations for the Gentoo repository, distfiles, and binary
+             packages"; Gentoo Linux, Current packages; CONF;
+             zmedico:dev-portage
+<@ulm> that's still waiting for its blocker bug 574752
+<+willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/574752 "Rename portage-YYYYMMDD.tar*
+             snapshots with gentoo-YYYYMMDD.tar*"; Gentoo Infrastructure,
+             Other; IN_P; mgorny:infra-bugs
+<@ulm> which is stalled because of the topdir renaming from "portage" to
+       "gentoo-YYYYMMDD"                                                [21:05]
+<@Whissi> The files are on mirror... will ping portage team what is required
+          to do the switch.
+<@ulm> I wonder what would be the issue with naming it gentoo?          [21:06]
+<@dilfridge> we could just rename ourselves to "portage linux", that might go
+             faster
+<@mattst88> lol
+<@WilliamH> ulm: I also have wondered why they need the date in the directory
+            name.
+<@ulm> dilfridge: the problem is that the diffs explode if the topdir name
+       changes between snapshots
+<@WilliamH> ulm: correct.                                               [21:07]
+<@dilfridge> right
+<@WilliamH> so the dir name should be constant
+<@ulm> my simple minded solution would be _not_ to rename it :)
+<@ulm> anyone wants to bring forward a motion? :)                       [21:08]
+<@Whissi> No, we already half-way + one step
+<@Whissi> We will get to the finish!
+<@WilliamH> I motion that the directory name in the snapshots be "gentoo"
+            without the date.
+<@dilfridge> finnish?
+<@dilfridge> WilliamH++
+<@ulm> please vote on WilliamH's motion                                 [21:09]
+* dilfridge yes
+<@Whissi> No. No new vote.
+* WilliamH yes
+<@Whissi> Why do you want to change anything? Can you explain that first?
+<@ulm> Whissi: the top-level dir used to be named "portage" without a date
+       extension
+<@WilliamH> Whissi: it has been explained. having the date in the directory
+            name explodes the diff
+<@Whissi> We do --strip-components for that...
+<@ulm> Whissi: for creating the diff?                                   [21:10]
+<@Whissi> I don't know what you are suddenly talking about.
+<veremitz> iirc hasn't robbat2 and zmedico mitigated that issue already?
+<@WilliamH> There was no reason given for changing the name of the top level
+            directory.
+<@Whissi> I am still at gentoo-YYYYMMDD.tar*
+<@Whissi> And the last progress was that this file is now available
+<@ulm> ok, maybe it's wise to table this until next month and get more
+       information                                                      [21:11]
+<@Whissi> So at one point we will just switch and no longer provide old
+          tarball
+<@WilliamH> We keep tabling this.
+<@WilliamH> Why can't we just get it done?
+<@ulm> voting seems a little too knee-jerk right now
+<@Whissi> Maybe because nobody really knows the exact status.
+<@WilliamH> If we have to revert back we should to get it done since this is
+            such a blocker.                                             [21:12]
+<@ulm> but we should ask infra and/or the portage team why they need a date
+       extension now
+<@WilliamH> ulm: ++
+<@Whissi> I can volunteer to get bug updated with current status and what's
+          blocking.
+<@slyfox> sounds good!
+<@ulm> Whissi: please do, thanks                                        [21:13]
+<@ulm> so, voting is aborted
+<@WilliamH> Ok fwm.
+<@ulm> anyone else wants to comment on this?
+<@WilliamH> There was no need before for the date in the dir name so I agree
+            that needs to be explained.
+<@ulm> let's move on                                                    [21:14]
+<@ulm> but 688876
+<@ulm> bug 688876
+<+willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/688876 "Comrel webpage does not
+             document expectations of privacy"; Community Relations, Developer
+             Relations; CONF; rich0:comrel
+<@WilliamH> I guess we are just monitoring that
+<@ulm> we're only in cc, I don't see anything actionable for council
+<@slyfox> Worth asking the update in the bug.
+<@ulm> slyfox: can you do please?
+<@slyfox> Will do                                                       [21:15]
+<@ulm> k
+<@ulm> bug 729062
+<+willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/729062 "Services and Software which
+             is critical for Gentoo should be developed/run in the Gentoo
+             namespace"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; IN_P; jstein:council
+<@mattst88> yeah, seems reasonable to ask ComRel to respond
+<@Whissi> Discussion not yet finished. No motion called yet.
+<@WilliamH> I don't think that's actionable either.
+<@ulm> yeah, let's wait for the result of the discussion                [21:16]
+<@ulm> or for its dying down :/
+<@ulm> bug 736760
+<+willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/736760 "Application to Software
+             Freedom Conservancy"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF;
+             mgorny:trustees
+<@ulm> nothing actionable there either atm
+<@WilliamH> Right.
+<@gyakovlev> it's in progress
+<@gyakovlev> but yeah
+<@ulm> so                                                               [21:18]
+<@ulm> opemn floor
+<@ulm> *open
+<@ulm> anyone?
+<@mattst88> just as an aside: I've finished up my personal stuff that was
+            sucking my time as of Friday, so I'll get the meeting minutes for
+            the two months I chaired out today                          [21:19]
+<@slyfox> woohooo!
+<@ulm> good :)
+<@ulm> september is missing too, I guess I'll do it together with this one
+                                                                        [21:20]
+<@gyakovlev> and I almost got my log out of drives from dead machine. raid
+             card arrives today, which will help me get data out.
+<@ulm> so, looks like there's nothing else on open floor                [21:21]
+<@ulm> meeting is closed then
+<@dilfridge> \o/
+<@Whissi> \o/
+<@Whissi> Thank you for chairing!
+<@slyfox> Thanks all!
+* gyakovlev goes to sleep
+*** ulm (~ulm@gentoo/developer/ulm) has set the topic for #gentoo-council:
+    "206th meeting: 2020-11-08 19:00 UTC |
+    https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20201108T19 |
+    https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council |
+    https://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/decisions.html"
+<@gyakovlev> thanks
+<@ulm> gyakovlev: you'll be chairing next month                         [21:22]
+<@gyakovlev> ack
+<@ulm> and everyone note end of daylight saving time
+* gyakovlev settiing up reminders