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diff --git a/2013/meeting-03-17.log b/2013/meeting-03-17.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000..5380361 --- /dev/null +++ b/2013/meeting-03-17.log @@ -0,0 +1,202 @@ +20:00 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon: FYI, I'll end up having to go mobile in about 20 min - suggest we cover copyrights early and for the activity tracker I don't believe there is anything new, but I'll take any requests for updated via email. +20:00 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the March 17, 2013 Gentoo Foundation Inc., Trustees Meeting +20:01 <@quantumsummers> hello +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging +20:01 <@dabbott> hi everyone +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> hi quantumsummers ... roll call +20:01 <@rich0> here +20:01 <@dabbott> here +20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ? +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> we have a quorum -lets start +20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Copyright Policies .. rich0 ? +20:02 <@rich0> Well, sounds like there aren't any complaints with the proposal - next step is to create an actual policy. +20:03 <@rich0> I'd like to suggest making DCO signoff on each commit optional until we're on git. +20:03 <@rich0> That is, unless somebody comes up with a proposal for how to do it without much overhead. +20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0 I don't have a problem with small steps ... anything has to be an improvement +20:04 <@rich0> Otherwise we can start circulating wording - style should be less explanatory and more actionable than previous communications. +20:04 <@robbat2> hi +20:04 <@robbat2> sorry a few mins late +20:04 <@rich0> ie, when doing commits do a,b,c +20:04 <@robbat2> doing it without overhead: repoman +20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, will you draft something, since you seem to be running with this so far ? +20:04 <@rich0> Sure, happy to draft something. +20:04 <@rich0> robbat2: we can chat offline about that if you want. I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't create stress for devs. +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its got to be visible to the commiter - every time +20:05 <@rich0> If it just gets auto-added to commit messages with some kind of confirmation that the dev is Ok with it that is fine by me. +20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, ++ +20:05 <@rich0> I just don't want to end up having a strict format on commit messages and repoman yells at you if it isn't there. git -s makes it easy +20:05 <@robbat2> ok, we can discuss that w/ zmedico re implementation then +20:05 <@rich0> agreed +20:06 <@rich0> Oh, what level of legal counsel do we want on this, if any? +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> any more on copyright ? +20:06 <@rich0> We'll have an FLA, a DCO, and a policy statement. +20:06 <@quantumsummers> +1 for me +20:06 <@rich0> I'll prioritize the last two. +20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> we want to run it by legal before it becomes policy but after its been on -nfp +20:06 <@rich0> WFM +20:07 <@dabbott> +1 +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> any more on copyright ? +20:07 <@rich0> nothing here +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Financial | Legal Status +20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Certified Public Accountant +20:08 <@quantumsummers> nothing terribly interesting. Getting a head start on our filings. Need to push some files to our repo, will try to get to that this afternoon. +20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> sounds pretty boring :( +20:08 <@quantumsummers> I also need to order some checks (cheques) +20:09 <@quantumsummers> will do that on Monday +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> 501(c)(3) registration status +20:09 <@quantumsummers> I think I will get the sort that have stubs +20:09 <@quantumsummers> no change in status +20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, has already said no change to the Foundation Activity Tracker +20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> 4. Bugs +20:10 <@rich0> Yup, send any update requests to me offline +20:11 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon: if we ever get anything more actionable on that possible license violation email I suggest we log that as a bug, but I don't think we have enough to do anything with that yet. +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed +20:11 <@rich0> Should be a private bug though - sensitive issue. +20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> yep. Its NEEDINFO right now +20:11 <@rich0> (FYI - for the record - Gentoo hasn't been accused of any license violations.) +20:12 <@rich0> Just don't want any libel. +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> do we need to go through the bug list? +20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> only 445584 is new +20:12 <@dabbott> i don't see anything +20:13 <@robbat2> bug 445584 looks more like it's pending on IEEE +20:13 < willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/445584 "sys-apps/hwids: {iab,oui}.txt isn't "freely distributable""; Gentoo Linux, Ebuilds; CONF; ulm:flameeyes +20:13 <@rich0> I don't think 445584 has anything actionable on our part there - no risk to Gentoo that I see. +20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> do we need to keep an eye on it ? +20:14 <@robbat2> nope, i think drop trustees from it +20:14 <@robbat2> comment 5 said RedHat was contacting IEEE +20:14 <@robbat2> ulm wanted to know if it could be public-domain meanwhile +20:14 <@rich0> works for me - in general I don't see the need for us to follow every licensing issue unless the licensing team or somebody else asks us to. +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed +20:15 <@rich0> (ie, we should be an escalation point, not a starting point) +20:15 <@robbat2> ok, i'll send it back to licenses@ and let it be public-domain for now +20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> ok +20:15 <@rich0> Sounds good - the main time I'd want the trustees closely involved is if we got some kind of notice of violation from a 3rd party, etc. That means legal risk/etc and we need to show due diligence. +20:16 <@rich0> Licensing team does a good job. +20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +20:16 <@dabbott> yep +20:16 <@rich0> Question - all those GSCO invoices - anything going on there.? +20:16 <@rich0> err, GSOC +20:16 <@rich0> No need to rehash, it just seems like those have been open for ages and I'm not sure how much if any money is still floating out there waiting for us to ask for it. +20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ^^^ +20:17 <@quantumsummers> reordering checks and I will close it out +20:17 <@quantumsummers> or do you mean the google invoices +20:18 <@quantumsummers> I have them all up to date +20:18 <@quantumsummers> we can keep that bug around or close it now and open it when we need it again, doesnt matter +20:18 <@rich0> I'd close it and open a new one each year. +20:18 <@quantumsummers> could just forget the bug and put the files in a repo too +20:18 <@rich0> It seems like it needs action if it is open. +20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats cleaner +20:18 <@quantumsummers> I like having them all in one bug +20:19 <@quantumsummers> but will defer, no biggie +20:19 <@rich0> Oh, and for historical record, by all means stick them in the repo. I'd like to see stuff going there from the start in the future - less bus factor. +20:19 <@quantumsummers> will put this in a repo anyway +20:19 <@quantumsummers> yessir +20:19 <@rich0> If you really want to re-open and re-summary it annually it isn't a big deal, but I don't like open bugs that aren't really open. +20:19 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:19 <@quantumsummers> that one can be closed then +20:20 <@quantumsummers> also FTR we have been paid in fill +20:20 <@quantumsummers> **full +20:20 <@quantumsummers> for all years +20:20 <@rich0> Excellent! +20:20 -!- jmbsvicetto [~jmbsvicet@gentoo/developer/jmbsvicetto] has quit [Quit: leaving] +20:20 <@robbat2> nice +20:21 <@quantumsummers> nice it is +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> That brings us to Cleanup +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 21 Apr 2013 19:00 UTC +20:21 <@quantumsummers> wtf +20:21 <@quantumsummers> mem +20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> works for me +20:21 <@quantumsummers> WFM! +20:21 <@rich0> wfm +20:21 <@robbat2> checking cal +20:22 <@dabbott> fine here +20:22 <@quantumsummers> (must be typing wtf a lot these days) +20:22 <@robbat2> no conflicts on my cal +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... +20:22 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: how we doing on infra needs? (ssl, servers, gear, etc, etc) +20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, ^^ +20:22 <@robbat2> ssl, I need to put together my plans into a bug w/ a funding request +20:23 <@quantumsummers> ok +20:23 <@robbat2> server-wise, we're mostly happy for the moment, we've been decommisioning some of the oldest boxes that were underutillized and very aging +20:23 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: good +20:23 <@quantumsummers> @trustees +20:23 <@robbat2> sparrow.g.o is the most recent retirement, a few days short of 8 years of active gentoo services +20:23 <@quantumsummers> wow, fine machine that one +20:24 <@quantumsummers> OSUOSL has privately asked us (via me) if we can foot some of our bill +20:24 <@quantumsummers> Lance said he would send me a proposal, but that was 4 weeks back +20:24 <@quantumsummers> sounded like ~500 USD/month +20:24 <@rich0> I need to go mobile - don't wait for me if you don't need me on a vote, but I will try to monitor what remains of the meeting... +20:24 <@quantumsummers> they have run into budget issues or something +20:25 <@robbat2> is that paying for electrical, bandwidth, or manpower? +20:25 <@quantumsummers> anyway, from my end, it looks like we could easily do that as long as it was not a long term proposition +20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> lets wait until we see the proposal ... +20:25 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: electrical and bandwidth +20:25 <@quantumsummers> mainly electrical iirc +20:25 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: surely, but I wanted to give a heads up to expect something in the ballpark +20:26 <@quantumsummers> we are not obligated, but it would be a good idea to help them out if we can +20:26 <@quantumsummers> since we depend so heavily +20:26 <@robbat2> if electrical, we can probably do better by updating some of hardware, to use less power +20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, that sounds like its more than our regular monthly income ... +20:26 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: couldn't hurt +20:26 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: we are averaging ~1000 iirc +20:27 <@quantumsummers> I'll run the new numbers soon, so I'll have a better idea +20:27 <@robbat2> is that with the GSOC averaged? +20:27 <@quantumsummers> no +20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Ah, ok. $500/month won't be too painful then +20:27 <@quantumsummers> I do not count gsoc in, just paypal +20:27 <@robbat2> ok, that's not too bad then +20:27 <@robbat2> i thought we were way less +20:27 <@quantumsummers> right, and if we do say a year +20:27 <@quantumsummers> it will ahve little impact on our total deposits +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I with robbat2 for updating hardware to reduce operating costs on power +20:28 <@quantumsummers> sure. we should do that regardless +20:28 <@quantumsummers> just to keep things sane +20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> yep +20:28 <@quantumsummers> I enabled the conservative governor on my servers and am saving ~$50 a month +20:28 <@quantumsummers> about 1/3 in savings +20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats impressive. +20:29 <@quantumsummers> I don't have a lot of load currently +20:29 <@quantumsummers> should just turn off a bunch of cores really +20:29 <@robbat2> on the $work sides, we've gained 6A by moving from older 75% efficency PSUs to 92%+ ones +20:29 <@robbat2> *efficiency +20:29 <@quantumsummers> nice +20:30 <@quantumsummers> also electrical is really expensive in my colo +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> I moved 4 boxes into KVMs and saved ?40/month ... which pays for the hardware over a year +20:30 <@robbat2> yup +20:30 <@quantumsummers> that covers my AoB +20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, AoB ? +20:31 <@dabbott> none here :) +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, AoB ? +20:31 <@robbat2> i said mine already re ssl +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> :) +20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I have one +20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> We briefly discussed a permanent link in exchange for a small one time payment - I don't see how we can make that work, so I suggest not doing it +20:32 <@quantumsummers> +1 +20:33 <@quantumsummers> we are not a link farm +20:33 <@dabbott> +1 +20:33 <@robbat2> one of the other OSS teams I do also had this discussion recently, they decided to strictly keep it tied to time limits +20:33 <@robbat2> and charge a lot more for their links +20:33 <@robbat2> like $200/mo for the top ones +20:33 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: we could, in theory, build this sort of thing into the sidebar app +20:34 <@quantumsummers> with time limits +20:34 <@robbat2> yep +20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> That might work. We have never been offered that - its simpler not to do it at all +20:34 <@robbat2> that's what it was built for +20:34 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, that more closely models our hardware sponsors +20:34 <@quantumsummers> yes, (not considering the time bit, but no biggie there) +20:35 <@quantumsummers> if we did this, it would be considered unrelated income, which will be interesting to the cpa. easily dealt with though +20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, well, if we can factor appearances so the values to gentoo match +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets toke it off line on the alias +20:36 <@quantumsummers> also, we dont really need that income so much, but it could help with osuosl support and so forth +20:36 <@robbat2> anyway, that is if we did go with the need for income +20:36 <@quantumsummers> toke it NeddySeagoon? +20:36 <@quantumsummers> ;) +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> take* +20:36 <@quantumsummers> hippy +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe +20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post logs - there are no emails nor motions +20:37 * quantumsummers straightens his tie +20:37 <@quantumsummers> ok thanks NeddySeagoon +20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ... +20:37 <@dabbott> thanks NeddySeagoon +20:38 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gale to close the meeting |